---

C&W - Stock Lists: Carriages & Wagons - C&W News - SR Coach Group - Goods Division - Operation Undercover - Technical - Join us

---

 

Carriage Fleet Review - 3

Maunsell Coaches

This third article in the series considers those of our coaches designed by Richard Maunsell for the Southern Railway. These thirteen coaches could be described as "the core" of our collection. They are the coaches which were associated with many of our locomotives during their working lives, and they fall chronologically between the vintage, non-corridor stock, and the "modern" (i.e. post-war) Bulleid and Mk.1 stock. All are constructed with a wooden body with steel panelling over this. The main weakness in the design is that water ingress around the windows causes the bottom rail to split where the bolts through it rust. This problem is worse than in our older coaches since the quality of the timber originally used was not as good. The advantages of this stock from an operational viewpoint are that it is corridor stock, and have fewer doors per coach than the older stock.

Open Third No. 1309, (Built 1935)

Restored to traffic from its previous derelict state, it won the C&W department the ARPS Coach of the Year Award in 1984. For a full account of its restoration see Bluebell News Vol.27 No.1. Initially reserved for use on the "Bluebell Cutler" dining trains, and subsequently used for the extension shuttle, this vehicle has since been in general service. After a decade of service, the coach was re-painted and the seating received a re-trim, as this was the one item not undertaken originally.

Now, after more than two decades of service it continues to perform as one of our most intensively used coaches, and is standing up to this remarkably well. If only the qualities of the design had been more fully appreciated at the time when No.1306 was raided for spare parts for the restoration of 1309 - we might have had two of these superb vehicles!

This "drop-light" open third was stripped internally in much the same way as No. 1309 had been prior to arrival. Enough of the correct pattern seating has obtained to enable an authentic restoration. Gangway connectors are also being re-instated. The restoration of this vehicle, partially financed by the Southern Railway Rolling Stock Fund, has taken about a decade, including a pause for a period whilst other vehicles had taken priority, and was completed for December 2008, with a final re-alunch in March 2009.

Thanks to the weakness whereby the droplights prevent the body from being watertight, the work has involved the replacement of a majority of the body timbers, starting from the bottom sides running the length of the vehicle. To achieve the required repairs, the entire body has been completely dismantled and re-assembled. It will thus be pretty-much the most extensive carriage overhaul yet undertaken by a heritage railway.

A separate web page features the overhaul of this carriage in detail.

(Built 1927, also carried numbers 7866, 6802 and 7841)

This coach, initially obtained to provide seating in the restaurant at Sheffield Park, was subsequently pressed into service on our trains for a number of years in the seventies. It sheltered for many years under tarpaulins on the Ardingly spur, and has now moved into the OP4 storage shed, where it remains in excellent condition, a very good prospect for a future restoration.

After its arrival in the early eighties this restriction 1 (8'6" wide) coach was used as the C&W mess and electrical store, this area later housing the polishing shop. As such it was at least cared for. It was relieved of this duty in 2001 with the completion of the Carriage Works extension, and was then stored awaiting overhaul.

Its restoration is possible in the very long term, although a new interior would have to be constructed, along with an almost completely new body structure. It is unique as the only surviving steam-hauled SR corridor third.

[Postscript - February 2023: Following a re-appraisal of our carriage fleet in 2021, since this carriage arrived not for preservation but simply to provide messing facilities, as a R1 vehicle did not fit our planned Maunsell train, and was in such a poor structural condition that it had had to be propped up internally to porevent collapse, it was offered for sale, and after 18 months without finding a new home was sold out of preservation.]

This restriction 0 coach, only 8' wide, was purchased to be dismantled for spares many years ago. David Wigley discovered however that its body structure was remarkably sound, although some repairs to the bottom rail would be required. He put together a Sunday team to undertake its overhaul. Many internal components were already to hand on the railway. The body was lifted from the underframe which enabled the bottom rail repairs to be made. The underframe has been fully overhauled, including new steam heat and electrical systems, and re-united with the body, which received many patch repairs to its structure and new steel cladding.

Finally entering the carriage works in 2019, a concerted effort was then made to complete the restoration of this vehicle, which will be at home behind the contemporary Hastings-gauge Schools-class locomotive 'Stowe', and matches the profile of our SECR Hundred Seaters.

A separate web page features the overhaul of this carriage in detail.

This four compartment brake vehicle had been used in the Chipmans' weed-killer train, coming to the Bluebell only because No.5644 (below) was coming and Chipmans wanted to get rid of this vehicle at the same time. A proposal to use it (with its end windows) as the driving coach for the initial extension shuttle caused it to be stripped of its internal modifications, but nothing further came of this, and with its entirely open interior it found an ideal use as the C&W exhibition coach, in which role it remained until early 2005. Its long-term restoration to traffic might be considered as a coach for disabled passengers, since its large guard's area and low passenger capacity makes it an otherwise un-economic proposition. Wet rot is apparent in some door pillars, and the structure of the south end of the coach is also suspect.

[Postscript - February 2023: Following a re-appraisal of our carriage fleet in 2021, since this carriage arrived not for preservation, it was offered for sale, but after 18 months without finding a new home, its future is being re-appraised, as a potential wheelchair accessible vehicle instead of or as well as 4441.]

The Maunsell restriction 1 'non-descript' or unclassed coaches were built for use on the South-Eastern Section boat trains, and could be allocated for first, second or third class as required by the passenger complement of the ship for which the train was run. Two of these coaches are in use on the Kent and East Sussex Railway, and very fine they look too. Used as the C&W stores coach, No. 4441 is rather more complete than its sister coach No. 4444, and was at one time considered to be a priority restoration project, to follow on after No.1336. It was thought that, due to damage sustained before arrival, it might have to exchange underframes with No. 4444.

[Postscript - February 2023: With underframe repairs now routine, it's no longer thought necessary to swap underframes. It is planned that this would be an ideal carriage to be used for wheelchair access, since this can be easily achieved through the double doors into the adjoining saloon, with no external modifications to the original design required.]

Substantially modified on several occasions, first as an army ambulance coach, then as the buffet for Sheffield Park prior to the building of the current facility, this coach then served as the Carriage Shop at Horsted Keynes. Its roof, replaced due to dry-rot on arrival on the Bluebell, is now leaking again, and it is now stripped out internally, to control the recurrence of the rot. Its long term future is seen as a donor of spare parts to No. 4441.

[Postscript - February 2023: Due to its seriously deteriorated condition, the long-planned dismantling of this carriage took place in 2021. Its bogies went to Petworth to carry the body of Pullman 'Princess Ena' and unfortunately the underframe, which was in good condition, was damaged beyond re-use during dismantling.]

This interesting vehicle, with its Post Office off-centre gangways and complete interior, was an unfortunate casualty of the "paint won't stick to galvanising" saga in the early eighties, and has consequently not been used in demonstration trains since then. With further deterioriation in the last decade, a substantial amount of structural work would be required to put it back into use, although as a non-passenger vehicle this has a low priority. If a good alternative home were forthcoming, this could give the vehicle a better future.

[Postscript - February 2023: Following a re-appraisal of our carriage fleet in 2021, since this carriage had attracted no interest over the preceding 35 years, and was in a poor structural condition, it was offered for sale, and after 18 months without finding a new home was sold out of preservation. The identical No. 4920 was in the National Collection, but is now preserved on the Nene Valley Railway.]

This vehicle had been thought to have a very sound body structure, and as such was an early candidate for reconstruction. To help preserve it the roof has been recovered in roofing felt by a visiting scout group. Unfortunately it was found that its previous roof covering, applied whilst in use as an office at Sheffield Park, had cracked, letting water in and then trapping it. The south end of the coach appears in good condition, the cant-rails are soggy along the entire length, but the worst discovery was of extensive dry rot affecting much of the north end and one compartment in the centre of the coach. It is however considered one of the core gems of the collection of Maunsell coaches, with considerable will to see its restoration programmed at some stage.

One of the Bluebell's first two coaches, arriving in 1960, and the recipient of a heavy overhaul between 1979 and 1982, (see Bluebell News Vol.25 No.1). It was turned so that the brake end faced North for the initial extension shuttle service. In early 1996 it received repairs to the roof canvas, the large corridor side windows were re-bedded, and an area of dry rot was stripped out of the corridor wall. This has been followed by a full repaint, and No.6575 then continued to give sterling service until 2001. It now awaits an intermediate overhaul, particularly at the brake end, which had less work done on it originally.

To maintain the Maunsell brakes as a "pair" this vehicle was also turned at the same time as No. 6575. After about 15 years in service on the Bluebell, it was withdrawn for a complete structural overhaul in 1988. The interior has been completely stripped out, refurbished, and was replaced following the completion of the structural repairs to the ends, the sides and the doors. The complete bottom-side timbers, running the entire length of the coach, were replaced. All the external steel sheeting has also been replaced, and the coach re-entered service in April 1997.

Left: The interior of a Maunsell Restaurant Car, as it was prior to rebuilding in 1947 as a Buffet Car.

Used for many years as the first Sheffield Park Buffet, this coach, substantially modified and devoid of its original interior, and suffering from having sat unused for the two decades, is unfortunately a shadow of its former self.

Right: The Maunsell Buffet Car, in storage at Horsted Keynes in 1986.

Its restoration was considered in the 1990s by a group of volunteers involved in on-train catering, but nothing came of that; as an important and potentially useful carriage, it is certainly on the "must do" list of eventual restorations. Whilst the bottom-side has given way, the main body structure of the coach is actually in better condition than several of the others above.

Money towards its overhaul has been collected over many years, but in 2008 this stepped up a gear, and enough money is now to hand to commence the overhaul during 2023.

On to the next article in this series.

---

Return to BRPS Home Page, to the Timetable or to Special Events
Carriages & Wagons - Intro - Development - Stock Lists: Carriages & Wagons - Carriage Fleet Review - Join us
C&W Works News - SR Coach Group - Goods Division - Operation Undercover - Carriage Shop - Technical Pages

---

Visitor Info. - Museum - Trust - Catering - Contacts - What's New - Projects - Locos - Carriages & Wagons - Signals - History - Other - Links - Search - FAQ

---

Why not become a BRPS Member?     -     Get more involved as a Volunteer

Your ideal Film/TV location?